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Re: Another one for Dan and fellow guitarists

Hey Ophiel - the clips sound pretty good, might stick some up myself I have a Boss micro BR which I use for ideas but it has a lot of functionality Boss are now owned by Roland I think but Roland make quality products - the cube amps are well worth looking at and are not bad priced - bar chords heres a way of playing chords on the neck without barring but this style is unique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyr__kGhUC0
 
Viking it could be the intonation is out on the guitar if bar chords don't sound right if they sound worse as you go down the neck it probably is the intonation. no idea why the jim deacon wouldn't play with a longer lead unless there was a loose connection somewhere.

Pretty sure Clapton started out on a Kay acoustic!

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Yes, prob not always got my amp set right...ever notice some times ur sound is perfect.I noticed when plugged into other sockets in the house guitar sounds better. Was on the Kay web site and boy they made some crackin' guitars. Said the were the first company to make and produce electric guitars.Saw my guitar on ebay selling for £80..type in kay guitars ebay and you'll see it along with others. I've got a bid on one of them. By the way just ahunch but are you sellig a guitar on ebay saw a seller called daniel something cant remember the rest of name.My wee Kay is a 70's Kay E-100 by Tiesco. Read they were made in Japan and sold in Woolworths and now they are making a come back as collectables.I think they sound great,nice slim neck. On the web page on ebay.. kay guitars for sale you will see a seller giving a demo just below the bid section on page.Have not looked at ur bar chord tip yet but am going to, thaks again. Wullie.

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Urisk wrote:

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Don't worry about the barre chords, they come as you practice and your hands get stronger. I was useless at them (mainly because I was pretty wee as a teen) but now they're pretty much standard for my playing (given I thrash out extreme metal on a fairly regular basis).

I've heard several ways to strengthen your hands- one cheap and effective way is to cup your hand and place an elastic band round it. Then just flex! build up repetitions as you would with any other exercises. The other way is just to play, play, play :D

Strumming fast; don't use your whole arm. Thsi is the most tempting thing to do (especially with gallop rythms) but it's better to learn to only move your wrist.

Can't think of anything else.

Thanks for the tip.  My main issue is consistency.  Some practice sessions go well and I hit 99% of these nice and clean and in time....other sessions I simply cannot get it together - so my hunch is its more practice needed to get the consistency up there.
 
Thanks again for the encouragement

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Viking wrote:

As someone mentioned barr cords on this page I would be grateful for any tips on the best and easiest three bar cords to play together without getting my fingers lost in knots.

There are about 5 separate guitar parts to Eric Clapton's "Layla" - one of them (the hardest in my opinion) revolves around a chord progression involving a combination of barre and open chords.  I do not have all the names of the chords with me but can get them for you if you want.

It starts out with one shape and then slightly changes to another (nice easy change from barre to barre) so the first two barre shapes over the first two bars of the verse are easy.  Then you move down a fret and drop into a different shape (again not too hard from the original shape) - you then slide the same Barre shape up the fret board strumming as you go a further two times before dropping right back down to the bottom of the neck and then going through some new shapes and some open chords (its the beat that underlies the verse).  It is great practice and sounds nice.

its good because (i) different barre chords (ii) use the same shape in multiple locations on the neckl (and iii) combines open chord and barre chord changes.

Its the section most people try to avoid playing in bands because it is the one which requires the most effort.  I can actually play this section now (though not as well as i would like). 

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Daniel Parkinson wrote:

Hey Ophiel - the clips sound pretty good, might stick some up myself I have a Boss micro BR which I use for ideas but it has a lot of functionality Boss are now owned by Roland I think but Roland make quality products - the cube amps are well worth looking at and are not bad priced

Thanks Dan.  Yes, Boss is owned by Roland.  The e-band jam thingy is 'Boss' but all the infor for it is on the roland website so i think you are right on that.  Its great fun!!!  

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- bar chords heres a way of playing chords on the neck without barring but this style is unique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyr__kGhUC0

Cheers - will check this out...

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Great guitar player Clapton but I think he got the layla rift from an old Hank Marvin Shadows record, was playing old Shadows mp3's and heard the lead bit being played by Hank I think a few years before layla came along. Anyway layla sound more like jazz and not blues or rock,could have rocked it up a bit. I'll find the name of the old SHADOWS record and post it here its a dead ringer for layla part of it. The guitar is a forgiving instrament at time you can play with two strings and a bit of distortion and it sounds like a full chord..example Smoke on the water just barr two strings and go down the board and back up and it sounds good and full bodied.
Much better rift is American Woman... its still one of the best ever along with All right Now Paul Kossof.

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Thanks for the Dr Feelgood link I downloaeded some of them, one of my all time fav bands Lee coulD play the slide and Wilco is amazing. Have one of their 1975 concerts on DVD.

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Viking wrote:

Great guitar player Clapton but I think he got the layla rift from an old Hank Marvin Shadows record, was playing old Shadows mp3's and heard the lead bit being played by Hank I think a few years before layla came along. Anyway layla sound more like jazz and not blues or rock,could have rocked it up a bit. I'll find the name of the old SHADOWS record and post it here its a dead ringer for layla part of it. The guitar is a forgiving instrament at time you can play with two strings and a bit of distortion and it sounds like a full chord..example Smoke on the water just barr two strings and go down the board and back up and it sounds good and full bodied. Much better rift is American Woman... its still one of the best ever along with All right Now Paul Kossof.

The lead phrase (not the opening bit) is a much borrowed lick - yes indeed.  Not sure about the shadows bit - my hunch is they both borrowed it from earlier blues.  I know duane allman used it as well (plays slide on the original layla track).  Clapton rocked it up a bit in tempo and added some further inflections so its only the first four or five notes of the lick that were borrowed.

You see this all the time in blues and indeed, it is positively encouraged.

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Viking wrote:

Great guitar player Clapton but I think he got the layla rift from an old Hank Marvin Shadows record, was playing old Shadows mp3's and heard the lead bit being played by Hank I think a few years before layla came along. Anyway layla sound more like jazz and not blues or rock,could have rocked it up a bit. I'll find the name of the old SHADOWS record and post it here its a dead ringer for layla part of it. The guitar is a forgiving instrament at time you can play with two strings and a bit of distortion and it sounds like a full chord..example Smoke on the water just barr two strings and go down the board and back up and it sounds good and full bodied. Much better rift is American Woman... its still one of the best ever along with All right Now Paul Kossof.

The lead phrase (not the opening bit) is a much borrowed lick - yes indeed.  Not sure about the shadows bit - my hunch is they both borrowed it from earlier blues.  I know duane allman used it as well (plays slide on the original layla track).  Clapton rocked it up a bit in tempo and added some further inflections so its only the first four or five notes of the lick that were borrowed.

You see this all the time in blues and indeed, it is positively encouraged.

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Yes Ophiel do it myself tinker about and a tune comes up and I think gees bet nobody ever played that...wrong.. every body nicks a wee bit of sombodys rift and adds thier own. First tune ever learned and of course heard my dad play it on accordion was The Dark Island and it sounds fantatic on electric...I know its not rock but play about with these oldies add ur own wee bit and thats what makes the guitar fun.Another example Canned Heat took an old 30's or 40's blues and made it into a hit record. Trying to do the Henrix thing with Amazing Grace...bending the strings using trem arm and it makes even me sound better than I really am. Remember seeing a documentery about Chuck Berry. He sits at home playing lots of other stuff diff from what he plays on stage.Myself I'm just abeginner and even try some er classical on my accoustic...but I get the best buzz from just tripping thro the chords.. think its called improvising..well I just make it up as i play.Still finding new sounds with my pedals. Wasnt mocking Clapton, the guys genious. Saw him on TV with Stevie Winwood...brill.

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