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According to teh BBC News:

Pagans are campaigning for druids and witches to declare their religious affiliation in next month's Census to gain greater recognition for the group.

The Pagan Federation says it wants the same recognition as other faiths.

Secularists say the optional question about what religion people are could lead to artificially large numbers identifying themselves as Christian.

That in turn could lead to an over-provision of faith schools, the British Humanist Association argues.
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In the 2001 Census, more than 70% of people described themselves as Christian.

The Pagan Federation insists druids, wiccans, witches and other pagans constitute a serious and growing religious group.

Ten years ago 42,000 people declared themselves as Pagans - the seventh highest number for any UK religion - but some experts believe the true figure was nearer 250,000 - and is significantly higher now.

BBC Religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott said the 42,000 figure was still only a fraction of those describing themselves as Jedi Knights.

Pagans do not worship one single god, but look for the spiritual in nature.

Some groups concentrate on specific traditions, practices or elements such as ecology, witchcraft, Celtic traditions or certain gods.

Wiccans, druids, shamans, sacred ecologists, odinists and heathens all make up parts of the Pagan community.

In October, the Charities Commission granted the Druid Network official status as a religion.

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Re: Pagans & the 2011 Census

Soap box time....Just another snoopy question by eggheads on the farm probing testing and slotting each of us into little boxes for optimal control of the masses. Last year the elite wanted to add the  question "When did you last have sexual intercourse".....Hang on Snoopy....Try the porn sites for your kicks. If there is only one god then our universe can only be a man made dictatorship system and that must be facist. If anyone refused and declared themselves Pagan Witch or anything other than Christian...didnt they used to burn drown and torture these free thinking people for to set and secure the one god theory worldwide. We will see more and more probing questions in future in these so called useful information census forms meant to aid the powers that be to improve society... and bottom line is to save spending money. Governments have the powers of gods in their arms caches and thier class systems ranks to destroy or save our planet. Who are the real gods?
As the single god is never present to avert global destruction and major disasters or to prevent the war mongers active X entering elected UK parties. Where are the real gods...up above us or here on earth..er and still above us? 2000 years....Well!...Come on down the real god for these chumps here are in it just for the power. What a person believes in or doesnt, its that persons right to keep it to themselves and not be threatened with court action if they dont complete the census form on the 27th. March. 
Might be twelve bankers are sitting at the pearly gates debt collecting when we all get to heaven...and a certain Mr H picketing with a banner saying...Told you so!

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Re: Pagans & the 2011 Census

I suspect that any religion they intend to recognise will need some sort of established administrative structure (listed membership, recognised bodies, ranks etc).  The Druids have only been around for about 100 years now but seem to be structured from what I can see.  I don't really know how other organisations or pagan groups operate.

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 "The Druids have only been around for about 100 years"

erm, well, you may as well say the Olympics have too then.....

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Re: Pagans & the 2011 Census

In their present form the Druids date back to the late 19th century.  They are not related to the Celt Druids.  The Olympic Games as they are known are just over 100 years. The ancient Olympic games are a lot older of course.

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 Except Druidism does have a place in our past, the Olympics is 100% an imported idea, hell why do we have mistletoe at xmas?.....

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Re: Pagans & the 2011 Census
Ian Topham wrote:

In their present form the Druids date back to the late 19th century.  They are not related to the Celt Druids.  The Olympic Games as they are known are just over 100 years. The ancient Olympic games are a lot older of course.

I'm sure there must be som elink between present druid's and Celt druids? Belief system's? rituals? Ways of life? For instance i bring the case of the recently re-activated energy point on Anglesey ( N. Wales) For it to be activated the present druids must use the same information or beliefs as the ancients. Deactivation, re-activation ( Every action has an equal or opposite reaction - I Believe that is a small theory circulating ;) ;) )!

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Re: Pagans & the 2011 Census

Antiquarians in the late 18th century suggested that stone circles were built and used by Druids.  The modern Druids hold rituals at places such as Stone Henge as they are of religious significance for them.  However, we know these monuments are stone age, built long before the Celt druids, who, possibly had nothing to do with them.  Is there any archaelogical evidence linking celt druids to these monuments?  I don't know of any.  The druids left no written records I am aware of, so I am not sure how close the modern druids can be linked to the older ones.  What we do know about them was written by the invading Romans so we have to take their accounts with a pinch of salt, but the modern druids don't seem to sacrifice people to their Gods.  Thankfully :)

Then again, do they need to be linked.  They have an established religion with ritual practices and they don't need to try and claim it goes back 2 millenia. 

I don't want to sound skeptical here, but as for a re-activated energy point in Angelsey, I think I would ask where, what sort of energy, how has it been measured and what evidence is there that celt druids had anything to do with energy points. 



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