Necromancers


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I have been reading up on a few definitions. Divination is a method of obtaining unknown knowledge. Necromancy is a form of divination through communicating with the dead. Therefore, does this make everyone who uses Oui Ja boards, all spiritualists and anyone on a vigil who says "Is there anybody there?" a Necromancer?

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You are absolutely right Ian.
Nekros = the Dead Manteia = the Art of Divination Nekromanteia = The Art of Divination through the Dead . My classical studies are finally paying dividens.
The traditional meaning is very clearly exemplified by the Witch of Endor summoning the soul of the prophet Samuel at King Saul's bidding. Samuel prophesizes that Saul will be defeated and killed by the Philistines and so it happens.
So technically when we are attending a seance and we ask a spirit insight about the future we are technically using Necromancy.
H.P. Lovecraft, being well read in classic literature, had the "necromancy ring" in The Case of Charles Dexter Ward doing exactly this: summoning the dead back to land of living, giving them a body (so they can fell pain and be tortured, of course) to steal their secrets.
More recently, especially in horror literature, it has taken a more sinister meaning but this doesn't concern us.

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Who sad the art of Necromancy was dead Cool

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I think Tolkien was the first one to use the term "Necromancer" in the more widespread meaning used today but I could be wrong.
As with the term "Satanism" the word changed of meanings at least three times during its history.

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-Kalevala, Rune XIII-


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Tolkein was certainly the first one to use a LOT of terms widely used in our modern fantasy universe- seeing as fantasy has essentially taken over as the "new folklore".

Orcs- a type of large "goblinoid"; the term really first used by him (before I'm sure it was the tradition name for a pig or boar??). He said himself his orcs were basically large hobgoblins.

Elves- Well elves were around before, but he essentially brought them back from the small green chap to the traditional Celtic "faerie". But the segregation into "High Elves, Wood Elves and Dark Elves" features here! As does their high sense of morals, loyalty and nobility.

Dragons- need I say more? Now a very clever and wicked beast, but some can be noble protectors.

The enmity between Elves and Dwarves- now a staple in modern fantasy (probably represents some sort of antagonism between the Celtic folk and the Nordic folk)

A definite line drawn between good and evil. No grey areas which featured regularly in traditional folk stories.

Werewolves and vampires feature as supernatural races, instead of demons in scary stories.

Comedy relief sidekicks (Merry and Pippin) and animal protectors (Huan the great hound) became popular.

And of course; the big, daunting quest, where the fate of the world rests upon one unlikely individual- before it tended to be that the hero went in search of wealth and glory.

These are all now staples of the fantasy genre, and have both good and bad consequences. I always feel that Howard's Conan stories tend to be more akin to traditional folk tales. Even they contain Necromancers, if I recall correctly. Mostly hailing form the decadent and twisted civilisation of Stygia.

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Re: Necromancers

divination first started in china necromancers started in england they can obtain shapes and memories of loved ones
to get what they want they also can sell souls to the devil (lucifer)without the aid of seeing that person or knowing them they just use the deads memories of loved ones also they can make ghosts or ghasts appear it is like that movie the illusionist u are kinda right in syin their the same they just use different methods!!

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In ancient Greece a necromancer would be able to contact Hades and thus the underworld by performing and leaving offering in an empty grave. This connection with the earth was believed to make one closer to the dead and the underworld.

Using a oui ja board doesn't make you a necromancer in my opinion. I mean, people play around with oui ja boards all the time, I doubt that makes them necromancers! It seems a very broad way of communicating with the spirit realm at any rate and maybe not a very effective way considering what can go wrong.

I haven't looked much into necromancy because I don't 100% agree with disturbing the dead unless there is good reason. However, I would believe it is a complicated process and instead of simply calling out on anyone, the act of pin pointing a person and bringing them back for questioning would probably be favoured.

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i see wat u mean i don't agree either  so i think the best way to contact the dead is by a wicca ritual or a spiritualist

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I still think Necromancy is a perfectly good word for contacting the dead, either at a Spiritualist Church or on a Oui Ja Board.  The word does not dictate how you how you contact the dead, it is just the act of doing so.

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yes but there are many different acts sometimes in life you just have to go with the one you think are right and i do not think necromancy is gd but we all have differing oppinions but i do understand where you are coming from ian

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Re: Necromancers

Reduce, Reuse, Reanimate. 

Necromancy, reducing our dependence on the Funerary/Industrial Complex.

Summum Nec Metuam Diem Nec Optima



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