Necromancers


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moth
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Re: Necromancers

Wicca and necromancy? Seems an unsual combination. Ian you have a good point but hmm... I just think there should be another word for it. I mean, traditionally you are meant to summon a spirit using magic (whatever you wish that to entail) and I don't know if a oui ja board would count.

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Re: Necromancers

I take it the problem is that the common usage of the word 'conjours' up an image that is now associated with evil black magic practices.

moth
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Hmm... I think the problem with the word is that it has two meanings although it isn't stated as such.

'The Free Online Dictionary

nec·ro·man·cy (nkr-mns)
n.
1. The practice of supposedly communicating with the spirits of the dead in order to predict the future.
2. Black magic; sorcery.
3. Magic qualities.'

So on one hand it is saying just communicating with the dead in order to forfil ones means is necromancy but then again it is saying also sorcery is involved. So I guess both things are necromancy, although the first doesn't need to be involved with the second. So if you were to go on the Oui Ja Board in order to predict the future, then yes, that may be Necromancy.

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but you don't know whether or not the spirit that is giving the answers on a qui ja board are good or not you could have a spirit that might be able to drive you mad or even worse kill you

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Tolkein was certainly the first one to use a LOT of terms widely used in our modern fantasy universe- seeing as fantasy has essentially taken over as the new folklore

Orcs- a type of large goblinoid the term really first used by him (before I'm sure it was the tradition name for a pig or boar??). He said himself his orcs were basically large hobgoblins

YES I SEE WHERE U ARE COMING FROM BUT HE WAS NOT THE FIRST OR SHOULD I SAY NOT ENTIRELY BECAUSE CENTURIES AGO THE SAXONS TALKED ABOUT THE ORCS THEY JUST DIDN'T USE THE SAME NAME

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Well, that is a danger with Oui Ja but if the spirit was once a living person then it could be classed as necromancy but that is where the debate comes in. Could Oui Ja not simply be communication with spirits who are simply spirits?

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i see wat u mean i think we should just leave the subject to rest because really none of us really know!!!!!

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HP Lovecraft said it best 'do not summon that which ye cannot put downe."

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In the general occultist view, necromancy is not quite spiritualism and ouija, although there are obviously links.

It is specifically using magical, usually ritual, practices to contact and communicate with shades of people who were once in the flesh. Usually for divinatory ends. The involvement of the person's body in ritual is common, or their bones or possessions at least, but admittedly not always.

There is a separate art of nigromancy, which is summoning/dealing with black spirits from under the Earth. Some people confuse the two.

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Ecardina wrote:

In ancient Greece a necromancer would be able to contact Hades and thus the underworld by performing and leaving offering in an empty grave. This connection with the earth was believed to make one closer to the dead and the underworld. Using a oui ja board doesn't make you a necromancer in my opinion. I mean, people play around with oui ja boards all the time, I doubt that makes them necromancers! It seems a very broad way of communicating with the spirit realm at any rate and maybe not a very effective way considering what can go wrong. I haven't looked much into necromancy because I don't 100% agree with disturbing the dead unless there is good reason. However, I would believe it is a complicated process and instead of simply calling out on anyone, the act of pin pointing a person and bringing them back for questioning would probably be favoured.

I would have to agree with you on the ouija board bit.  A Ouija Board doesn't pin point a particular persons spirit, it just makes a doorway for whatever is there and wishes to use it.  And if you believe in spirits, that doesn't have to be a dead human.    I guess it's down to whether you believe that there are such things as Demons, entities or creatures that are not human out there, as to what or whom it is possible to contact.

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