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Church folklore: petal rosettes


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megalith6
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Hi,

can anyone tell me about these or where others might be found please?

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p32/r_i_c_2007/oldchurchrosette.jpg

they are sometimes found in old churches and i have seen an example in Wiltshire

thanks

Ric

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Re: Church folklore: petal rosettes

That's a very common symbol on the Continent, much less in Britain. Then name in various languages can be translated as either Peasants' Rose or Alpine Sun.
The first examples, as with many other Solar symbols, come from the Iranic Plateau. It slowly crept westward (there are a few isolated examples from Roman Lybia but nothing more) but started to catch on during the Romanic and Gothic phases of architecture, though it was usually much embellished and barely recognizable. Recent studies hint at the fact that it was probably taken to Europe by the Lombards when they settled in Northern Italy.
The present simple form started out in the XVII and, after a period of obscurity during the Age of the Nation-States, is becoming once again common in the Alps as a decorative element as popular cultures are being rivitalized.
Hope this was useful to you.

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Re: Church folklore: petal rosettes

Thanks Mauro,

what is the reference for the 'Alpine Sun' name for this symbol please?

many thanks

Ric

Mauro
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Re: Church folklore: petal rosettes

Alpine Sun is the usual name in Northern Italy (Sole delle Alpi). If you need bibliographic information I'll be happy to oblige (though the source's in Italian).

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megalith6
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Re: Church folklore: petal rosettes

that would be helpful, Mauro - thank you. i can tell you that the six figure symbol is also the sign for the Russian god Perun:-

https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A3=ind0902&L=CELTIC-L&E=quoted-pri...

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Re: Church folklore: petal rosettes

OK, here you go.

Massimo Centini Spiriti di Pietra (Varese: Macchione 2004) pp. 129-130

Massimo Centini Memorie Pagane (Varese: Macchione 2006) pp. 61-64

These are two hard to find but incredibly good books that, sadly, still haven't been translated into English (the advantages of being raised by an Italian-speaking mother...).

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megalith6
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Re: Church folklore: petal rosettes

Thanks Mauro

cool B-)

have just received some positive feedback on this hexagonal symbol from another forum re. 'the Prophet Ilias / Elijah' on Tooth Mt, Argolid, Greece, where a sown six-petal motif appears to represent a female saint, possibly a Christianised goddess?

bests :)

Mauro wrote:

OK, here you go.

Massimo Centini Spiriti di Pietra (Varese: Macchione 2004) pp. 129-130

Massimo Centini Memorie Pagane (Varese: Macchione 2006) pp. 61-64

These are two hard to find but incredibly good books that, sadly, still haven't been translated into English (the advantages of being raised by an Italian-speaking mother...).

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