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That's all very well, but the person who began this topic by creating the thread specifically said:
"I dont mean those who live the lifestyle or the Vampyre sub-cultre, I mean true vampires."
You are clearly talking about people who might believe they are vampires, but very obvioulsy are not.
"elizabeta09" has enquired about real vampires, the kind recorded in folklore down the ages.
I have sometimes pondered whether there are "true Vampires".
I believe that there are three issues here.
Firstly there are people who do indulge in drinking blood.
As far as I am concerned, they are mentally ill.
Secondly, it is perfectly possible that people years ago were buried alive-I know a distasteful subject-nowadays we certainly in the West are embalmed and therefore, it does not happen. But you can understand, that years ago, if you dug someone up and they had blood around their mouth it is probably because, they were chewing their lip in anxiety and fear.
Thirdly,is vampirism a folklore memory of cannabilistic practice? In parts of the world it is a form of ancestor worship-the descendants eat the brains of their parents etc in order to link with them in some way.
Best I can do
Always keep an open mind about things; But make sure your brain doesn't fall out.
There, of course, is a fourth possibility.
Namely that supernatural predatory entities of demonic origin might exist and occasionally plague us with their voracious appetite for warm blood.
I think you are talking about psychic attack.
I do not discount this as a possibility.
I think the problem here is that we confuse the physical with the spiritual. We human beings are made of the same stuff (both). I do believe in other dimensions.
Drinking the blood of slain enemies is an example of "law of contagion magic".
The Victorian public was horrified when they learned the Zulu chief Matuana had drank the gall and blood of thirty enemy chiefs he had defeated in battle. Of course Matuana was no vampire: by drinking his enemies' blood he was merely hoping to add their strength and power to his own.
Before converting to Christianity the Lombards were wont to eat their slain enemies' flesh in an elaborate ceremony. The goal of this cannibalistic feast was to turn the slain enemy into a "helper" of sort to the slayer and his family instead of allowing him to become a vengeful spirit.
Superstions linked to blood and other bodily fluids have long abounded: for example some Papua tribes believed that by drinking a great warrior's sweat lesser men could gain at least a portion of his strength and military prowess.
It's only a short step away imagining that there are creatures who gain all their strength and power by subsisting solely on blood.
"Louhi spoke in riddled tones of three things to achieve: find and catch the Devil's Moose and bring it here to me. Seize the Stallion born of Fire, harness the Golden Horse. He captured and bound the Moose, he tamed the Golden Horse. Still there remained one final task: hunt for the Bird from the Stream of Death"
-Kalevala, Rune XIII-
No, indiagold, not just psychic attack, but physical a well.
An example of what I mean can be found at this link:
No, indiagold, not just psychic attack, but physical a well. An example of what I mean can be found at this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34sTg7qxbDc
Ok I'll have a look at that
i think drinking the blood of enemies or using blood in ritual etc, is not quite the vampirism we're really looking for here. It works, don't get me wrong, the same as a hammer and chisel work, but like them, it's just a tool.
if you're talking about creatures that seem to need the blood of others to survive, I'd refer you firstly to the Vampire of Croglin Grange story, and then to - (this may scare you properly!) - the folklore of Indonesia, which holds the legend of the JENGLOT.
Remember that word.
Google it and absorb as much knowledge as you can.
I could tell you a VERY scary story, about a Radio DJ I knew, who had a terrible experience many years ago with a very evil practitioner and a Jenglot, while abroad. I'm not going to, it really would chill you to the bone. She got five grand out of him before the story ends, he was that scared, put it that way. VERY EVIL.
Just be careful of these things. Plus, DON'T ever give anyone money for taking one off you! It's an evil scam, they put it on you and pretend they're trying to save you! Any genuine witch/wizard won't approach you with demands for large amounts of money, you more often are politely asked to give them what you think it's worth afterward, if they're professionals that make their living by it. In the past I've made a living from being a travelling seer and occultist, but I NEVER demanded large fees like that. I'm very serious, don't ever be fooled and ripped off. Just say NO.
That's all. Just be warned if it ever happens to you.
Lets say for a moment that vampires are real, as in the movies and books (which I must admit I do not believe). So what are the motivations behind those investigating or researching vampires. Are they out to stake them? If so, then aren't they just wasting their time.
If, by some manner you actually find a vampire, a real vampire and you manage to stake it, but don't get any scientific evidence to support your claim, all you've done is rid the world of a vampire and probably gained a reputation as a nutter once you've started telling people.
Where as surely the goal would be to capture and study the creature. This way the existance of vampires could be proven, accepted by the scientific community at large, acknowledged as a threat by the government and measures could be taken on an international scale to save the human race from these things.
So, are those people who just want to stake vampires really doing anything to protect the population.
Back to square 1!
(Loud, disgruntled sigh.)
The "stake" thing is, in my experience, a myth.
A jenglot absorbs the psychic life essence present in fresh blood, preferably human. It is essentially a spirit, but more of an etheric one than a higher form. The etheric is held by most practising occultists to be the level of existence between the physical and the spiritual.
A spiritual existence, of whatever form , is almost impossible to measure by crude physical tools, the same way as somebody's physical mass is very rarely discussed in spiritual terms.
The only vampires I've evr come across, were not physical creatures, they seem to be only semi-physical, more etheric than hard physicality. They can nevertheless, occupy physical forms sometimes. Never in my experience has a "Stake" been used to destroy anything else than a living, breathing animal. In my experience, vampires are not living, breathing animals. I've had one or two believable reports that the stake thing is older than modern folklore, but not many.
Nevertheless, people are free, happily, in Britain, to hold their own beliefs. One can insist that black is white and even that there is no spiritual reality at all, that all the ancient peoples were all utter airheads full of crap, and only the four restrictive walls of modern scientific research, specifically that which is "true" because it is repeatable in extremely narrow, laboratory conditions is the whole and only truth, if one wishes.
By the same token, we are also allowed to disagree with that.
I'm not trying to, nor am I even vaguely interested in, indoctrinating anyone with my personal views, I am speaking from hard experiences and I've also thrown it open for anyone to google what I'm talking about, do their own research, even maybe go out into the world and come to their own conclusions, rather than sitting on their arses pontificating.
One of the first things you may find on the Web are reports about people using animal or human corpses etc to fake evidence of such things and make money in the media. There've always been fakers of the supernatural. There are more articles though, taking the subject more seriously.
I was once a full active member of a pshycical/anomalies research society up North. They seemed more to sit around talking or do he odd, rather futile ghost watch in some hall or old theatre etc, rather than doing anything that brought results.
There were a few members who claimed to be into and be some kind of authority on, occult matters. I saw no evidence of their claims or implications other than they'd bought a few books from high street shops and liked to sit around talking about magic and the occult. However, I didn't choose to point that out and try to prove anything, I was too nice, and I wanted to socialise, not have an argument.
What really got to me, was when I offered to actually do an experiment, with witnesses where I would actually cast a circle and evoke a spirit, and even try to get something on camera for them - (Risking ridicule myself as it's very difficult to get anything to let itself be photographed in ritual, and so leaving the door open to failure and blowing my credibility).
Guess what? They backed right off and vetoed it! All but one of them ganged up and put a stop to it! They were actually SCARED! They didn't want to see the truth! They were the ones full of bull, sitting around in the pub doing nothing or going on rather futile trips to places where hardly anyone's even seen anything anyway. To this day they can't give a rational, satisfactory reason why they blocked it, other than saying I would be "opening a door to dangerous forces!" So arrogant and self-satisfied as to be ludicrous.
It insults me in more than one way, firstly they take the position of better knowledge and experience - Which they didn't have - secondly they're treating me like I'm irresponsible and incompetent, or evil in some way, trying to seduce people or some crap like that - and thirdly they're defeating the whole original point of the society's existence!
It's not unknown for people to get into the subject of the supernatural because they want to control it, subjugate it and protect themselves from it - they are afraid. They come to the subject with an agenda to disprove it and push their narrow scientific materialism, they don't want personal in-depth knowledge or experience, they just want to destroy something that scares them.
Of course they'll never admit it, but they are control freaks with a problem about the supernatural, rather than wanting to enjoy it, experience it and learn the true secrets of nature like you'll find many old hippies and occultists like me do! The difference between say, the ancient Etruscan way of being with nature, and the ancient Roman way, which is more about control, dominance and controlled violence. Unfortunately, in the current era, our western society is modelled around the Roman way by and large.
Okay, rant over.
And no, Red, I'm not getting nasty or having a go at you or anyone here, I just thought it was time and maybe appropriate to clarify some of my whys and wherefores. Also, why I don't do laboratory-conditions type of research, nor join those sort of groups anymore, though admittedly I can't judge too hard about other groups I've not met.
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