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New Forest Witches and WW2?


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karin
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Has anybody else heard of the New Forest Witches as having played a part in the defence of England during WW2?
A story I heard, years ago, was that the New Forest Witches performed an enormous act of weather magic during D Day, sending a powerful storm which confounded  the Nazis and enabled the Allies to land undetected at Normandy. And that a number of the NF witches died as a result of the power unleashed.
It's a great tale. 
Has anyone else heard this or any other tales of witches and WW2?

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Re: new forest witches and WW2?

Yes, I've heard similar tales before. I've also heard that the New Forest Witches allegedly performed a ritual which attempted to focus a 'cone of power' at Hitler's mind. According to what I heard, the witches were required to perform this ritual naked, and an older member of the coven died shortly after, possibly due to the effects of exposure.

You may also find this thread interesting.

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Re: new forest witches and WW2?

Hi Karin, again, I have heard tales of witches in The New Forest using magic to defend Britain against attack during WWII.  However, I do not know of any personal accounts of this and I am not sure whether it is moer akin to a modern myth or not.  I would certainly like to believe it happened.  Does anyone know more?

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Re: New Forest Witches and WW2?

Are these witches pre-dating the Alexandrian and Gardner systems then?

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Re: New Forest Witches and WW2?

There are families that claim a heritage of witchcraft traditions pre-dating the 1960's.  Personally, for me this is what makes these witches far more interesting.

karin
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Re: New Forest Witches and WW2?

 i wondered if these might have been the witches gerald gardner claimed trained him, old dorothy clutterbuck and others, in the 1930s..

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Re: New Forest Witches and WW2?

I have better educated myself on the subject and although I was sceptical of Gardner's claims there is a strong possibility the people he was involved were genuine.

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Re: New Forest Witches and WW2?

I heard the skyclad business was written in wicca as Gardner was a naturist.  I am not a witch and don't pretend to know too much about witchcraft but I do think your probably right Ecardina.

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i have heard about this too. gardner and crowley came up with wicca i think. i must refer back to my books on this subject lol as i am eternal student;). the craft itself has many roots in the ancient past but wicca is a modern form. wiccans and witches are similar but wiccans deal with more ritual, i consider myself hedgewitch with druidic leanings:). a more simple version of the craft. As for Gardner, I have an open mind about him. There is info on this wwII and newforest coven connection but i would not be able to say if it is true or wether crowley and his mates just thought it up to draw attention to themselves. i would love to know more if anyone knows:). Old dorothy does have connections with the new forest coven as well as Highcliffe and christchurch. not much around about her though i think. she is a bit of a mystery:). there are people who claim to be hereditary witches ofc, but it has to start somewhere right?. i am inclined to agree with the lovely person who said they think that this type of witch would not be doing this type of thing.but you never know:).

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Re: New Forest Witches and WW2?

I'm intrigued when you say there is is info on WW2 and New Forest, is this from Crowley and co?
 I hadn't heard that Crowly and Gerald G. et al were involved, I'd only heard that it was the old blood witches participating in a great working when Britain faced her greatest hour of need. 

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I have always had the suspicion Gerald Gardner may have embellished truth a little. While I do not contest the idea of a "Pagan survival" well into historical times (there are very convincing evidences it survived into the XVII century in the Venetian domains and perhaps up to the close of the XIX century in the area near Salzburg), I still believe Gardner didn't bring up convincing evidence about the New Forest Coven. In short I agree with Ronald Hutton.
But there's more.
When you attend a genuinely ancient cerimony you can "feel it out of time", even if most of time it has often been heavily modified over the centuries. The Silvesterklause of Urnasch, the Balarì of Bagolino, the bear-dances of Arles-sur-Tech and Monpantero... you don't get the same feeling when attending a Wicca ritual. It feels for what it is: a recent religion/magic system. No offense meant, of course, there's nothing bad in new religions.

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