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moth
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I was reading about the German writer Goethe and the Hungarian teacher Emelie Sagee and their 'double' experiences.

Whilst Goethe saw his future self on one occasion, Sagee on the other hand was able to be in two places at the same time purely from intent. It lost her quite a few jobs.

I was wondering if anyone has had a similar experiences or know of any? Theories would be great too.

I myself have had one experience which I think could be linked to this but I don't want to try and clarify it.

Could these experiences be put down to 'loops' in time? Or simply our own ability to predict? Or in Sagee's case, purely because we wish to be doubled?

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Theres a type of ghost called a "Doppleganger" (Dopple bieng german for double). These ghosts or biengs take the appearance of someone else, traditionally it is believed that one cannot ever see there own doppleganger, because if they do, both the doppleganger and the actual person die

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I don't think these are dopplegangers cases but the input is very helpful.

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To be honest I know nothing about this case, so I googled Emelie Sagee and this forum topic actually came up third in the list.  (I love our google ratings). 

On wiki they refer it as dopplegangers.
Emilie Sagée
Robert Dale Owen was responsible for writing down the singular case of Emilie Sagée. He was told this anecdote by Julie von Güldenstubbe, a Latvian aristocrat. Von Güldenstubbe reported that in the year 1845–46, at the age of 13, she witnessed, along with audiences of between 13 and 42 children, her 32-year-old French teacher Sagée bilocate, in broad daylight, inside her school, Pensionat von Neuwelcke. The actions of Sagée's doppelgänger included:

Mimicking writing and eating, but with nothing in its hands.
Moving independently of Sagée, and remaining motionless while she moved.
Appearing to be in full health at a time when Sagée was badly ill.
Apparently, the doppelgänger also exerted resistance to the touch, but was non-physical (one girl passed through the doppelgänger's body).

It is an aspect of the paranormal I have no experience in investigating, though it is fascinating.  I wonder how common this type of phenomena is. 

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Sagee when asked about her 'doubling' said she was concious of being in two places at the same time and that the experience would be a draining one. For example, on one occasion she was outside teaching a girls class when she saw an unattended class through the window. Believing they ought to be attended, her double materialized in the classroom and taught the class inside, whilst at the same time teaching the class outside. The only thing the students could detect, other than the double, was that the original Sagee seemed more tired.

Bizarre. I believe she got fired over 13 times because of her doubling acts.

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The name Guldenstubbe keeps popping up again! See the "moving coffins" topic for more information: a member of the same noble family was the magistrate who investigated disturbances in the Buxhoeweden family chapel on the Island of Oesel.
To get back to the subjects of "doubles" a number of Christian Saints were said to be able to produce "doubles" of themselves. Saint Anthony of Padua was said to be able to preach in two churches at the same time. He usually gave his sermon, sat down, seemingly fell into a trace, and at the same his double appeared in another church to gave a sermon and then disappear.
A famous medium, Agnes Guppy, is said to have either generated a double or to have teleported to seance held in London, about three miles from her home.

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I've been told that my double was seen once.  I was in an entirly different part of the building, in front of quite a few people, so I know I wasn't there.

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I once met my double!

I used to walk along the same path every day on the way to work and I was stopped once by an elederly man. He told me his son could have been my double. On a subsequent walk past I saw the son with his father and it was true. I'm afraid I can't remember what my reaction was as it was a long time ago but I'm guessing it felt weird.

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MS, I think that they're talking about a different kind of double.  I belive it's the same thing as a doppleganger.  

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BaronIveagh wrote:

MS, I think that they're talking about a different kind of double.  I belive it's the same thing as a doppleganger.

A double is NOT the same thing as a doppelganger. It is important to differentiate between the two and not use such terms loosely. Anyone can have a double who is simply someone who resembles them closely.

There are very few cases of doppelgangers and I have yet to come across one which is at all compelling.

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Ok, what I was talking about was a doppleganger, since it vanished, rather then walked away.

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