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Mauro
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I may add another detail about Cold War ballooning.
After the Korean War NATO launched literally hundreds of spy balloons over the USSR under two distinctive programs. These were declassified in the late '70s but details are very, very sketchy and even aviation historians have failed to sketch a detailed history. Again most of documents appear to have been either destroyed or somehow lost.
The Soviets were comprehensively infuriated by these operations, if no other reason that a few balloons malfunctioned and became air traffic hazards.
Curiously PVO (the Soviet military organization charged with homeland air defence) reported at least another wave of high flying balloons during the '70s. By this time effective high flying interceptors were available (Sukhoi SU-9 and later SU-15) and a number of these balloons were shot down. Again details are murky to say the least. By the '70s NATO had both spy satellites and Lockheed SR-71 spyplanes available in quantity, both of which were immune to interception and extremely effective so this operation makes little sense as a classic "spy" operation. It has been suggested these ballons were launched to be shot down and hence give indications about the effectiveness of Soviet high-altitude air defences (both the US and Britain had high-speed, high-flying bombers in development at the time) but, again, lack of details and the usual murkiness makes this just another hypothesis.

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THe problem there is Roswell was much earlier then that.

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 Yes, Roswell’s association to weather balloons is rather suspect.  The other thing is that the alleged crash site, or sites, was/were quoted as being at least 60-miles out of Roswell.  It is actually further than that, between where I live (and also where I lived in 1980) and Rendlesham Forest.  In neither of these two examples would it have been possible for an inhabitant to have known what had happened so far away.
 
But if there was nothing politically inconvenient going on, then why would they bother to cover things up?  For instance, consider how the authorities responded to the crop circle phenomenon.  From my own observations at Cheesefoot Head in 1992, I was shocked to discover how far the cover-up would go.  It later transpired that the BBC had sent a camera crew to Cheesefoot Head, Hampshire, in 1991.  They used night-sight equipment, and recorded the very same things that I would see with my own eyes in 1992.
 
The BBC camera crew had obviously been assigned to the investigation in all good faith, but somebody else wanted it stopped.  The rumour was that a representative of the British government had politely suggested that the BBC should keep this information under wraps.  Indeed, the BBC was amongst those in the media who subsequently launched attacks on those who investigated crop circles.  They sneakily waited until the end of the 1991 crop circle season before launching the attack.  This meant that there was no come-back.
 
Of course, the average person wouldn’t investigate such issues.  No, they’d wait until someone in authority worked things out for them.  Let me put it another way...  Back in 1870, the British government had only introduced a minimal form of universal education because of the pressures of the industrial revolution.  Before the industrial revolution, in pastoral Britain, 90% illiteracy levels had worked just fine.  
 
This means that state education is, and always has been, primarily targeted at maintaining the status quo.  Example: When I attended school during the 60s and 70s, it was more-or-less compulsory to attend religious education classes.  It didn’t matter that my parents had no interest in any religion whatsoever; I had to attend these R.E. classes by government order.  The truth is that religious education had nothing to do with what anyone’s parents might, or might not, want. 

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Expect officialdom to tell the truth about Roswell?  Was it a balloon, or was it swamp gas?  There has long been a percentage of the public that have questioned whether official truths have matched with real truths.  The reality of the situation is that government versions of the truth are seldom a match to reality, as the truth is commonly inconvenient.  However, you don’t need to restrict the investigation to anything even vaguely paranormal.
 
To demonstrate how this ever-widening chasm goes beyond the abnormal, my assertion is that even the mundane subject of education in the industrialised world tends to be a clandestine, closed-loop argument.  I am personally convinced that this system employs statistical analysis to derive the resultant public reasoning trends.  Populations are subliminally persuaded that education directly equates to truth.  But, in general terms, education is only geared to impose a version of the truth that the general public are supposed to learn in the first place.
 
You need education, in order to get a better paid job.  But that better paid job is merely part of the same system. Education is merely a way into, rather than a way out of, the system.  This turns the educational quest into sheer parochialism.  I have no children, but it would appear that even very young school children in Britain are being increasingly squeezed to produce high marks.  Governments of any complexion tell us that this extra educational push is quintessential for our future prospects.  Yet, at the very same time, people who are still only in their twenties are being thrown on the scrap heap.
 
Likewise, a financial squeeze on university students has been applied.  In other words, there is a directive to use youngsters, on low wages, to do the work.  Even back in the eighties, I was regularly being rejected by prospective employers because I scored too highly on their tests.  I recently became redundant, and discovered that the British government have found yet another way of keeping me off the unemployment register.  After all, what government is going to admit that the real situation is beyond their control?  Thus more cover-ups; because my wife has passed retiring age, she is paid pension credits on my behalf.  In other words, because unemployment has become an increasing and incurable problem, I have ceased to exist.

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Mauro
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It just proves that "secret" documents, which are supposed to be the most jealously kept of them all, aren't immune from the usual bureaucratic fails.
"Hey Larry what we should do with this box of old papers laying on the floor?"
"Geez, why you keep asking? If isn't on a shelf orders are to throw it away so throw it away! And don't you make me repeat that!"

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 I'm new to your forums and find your discussions very interesting. I am from the New Mexico area and have just finished a book called Roswell One the final contact. (Amazon)  I tell of an indian family I knew and what they told me to be true. It doesn't dispute any of your ideas but gives us answers of why there is a mystery in the first place. For six decades the public has been misinformed about the alleged flying saucer crash outside of Roswell NM,. Partly because of security and embarrassment of what the government had secretly built deep in the desert at the same time the atom bomb was being tested. Read a never before narrative of what happened to a native American Indian family in 1945 and then reappeared again fifty years later, never to be reported. One government covert agent finally explains the how and why of the Roswell incident that has been whispered among the Indians of New Mexico for years. https://www.createspace.com/3528272
 



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