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bedb
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I used to belong to a group of bigfoot hunters. I never saw bigfoot...don't even think he was around at the time I was looking....did see some interesting stuff. But I've got to spill the beans on these folks. Most of them are city folk wandering around in the woods without a clue.

One of the things this group used to do is put a net of fresh fruit out in hopes of luring bigfoot to the bag. It was then that I realized the leaders of this group knew nothing about Texas wildlife. That night as we waited for big furry by a stream behind a house...I watched flying squirrels descend on the bag like fleas on a dog. 

I made mention of this to the group leader, and they haven't put out bags of fruit anymore....as I recall.

Other dumb things they do for TV is show folks wandering through the woods in broad daylight after saying BF is nocturnal.

My father and grandfather and great grandfther believed something called the Burns Booger lived in the woods where I am originally from. They always ran into it when they were hunting. These were poor people who hunted with hounds in the deep south. The meat they put on the table was often alive that morning.

When my father was a boy something spooked his hounds when he was up a tree trying to drive down a raccoon. It scared him so bad he abandoned the raccoon and left the woods to whatever was coming. My greatgrandfather was driven out of the forest by something some time shortly after WWI. He said it was the booger.  My dad later reason it was people making illegal whiskey.....but before he died a few years ago....he said whatever had been in those woods was still there.

I don't think idiots with TV cameras will find bigfoot....that if anyone does...it will be a local man or woman who just happens to be at the right place at the right time. 

Mysteryshopper
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Re: Dumb things bigfoot hunters do.

It would at least help if these people had a naturalist with them. If they could get one interested!

Mauro
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Very interesting.
I have often wondered why bigfoot hunters don't employ more conventional means.
Following footprints as long as possible would be a good start: large animals living woodlands tend to stick to certain paths. This could define patterns (if there are any) for population movements.
Being on the lookout for unusual droppings would also be advisable. Of course this means being acquainted with local wildlife to avoid coming back home with nothing more than a big bag of...
Finally a thing about calls: the so called best evidence for Bigfoot is the recording of a series of calls made by journalist Alan Berry in 1977 in the High Sierras of California. He turned over all the original tapes to the University of Wyoming. The study was the base for an MS thesis and is available to everyone. So why bigfoot hunters don't carry high quality recorders with them?

There's always something that got me wondering for a long time. Why aren't hounds employed more often? A good Bloodhound can pick up even cold (more than two days old) trails and follow them for miles.

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-Kalevala, Rune XIII-


bedb
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I agree..about the recorders...and cellphone that take pictures...most folks have them anyway.  But there is a problem with call blasting. My dogs know the difference between the dogs barking on TV and the ones barking outside. I even had a dog that would howl when I sang (yes I am that bad) but he wouldn't howl when a tape was made of me singing.

I wonder if call blasting as they call it is really any good? No one has gotten an answer yet that I know of...and using gibbon or howler monkey calls would not be the same thing as bigfoot I would imagine.

Remember I said I've experienced some odd things. I was at a remote Oklahoma State Park with a group of horse enthusiasts and fell asleep in my truck when it got late. A stallion whinnying after midnight woke me up. I was really drowsy and didn't pay much attention to him until I noticed that he was answering something across the lake. Something on the other side of the lake was moaning. I've been around cattle all my life so I was 99% sure it wasn't a cow....and this was a ranch stallion. He'd have been around cattle all his life, too.

All night long that thing moaned...and after every moan the stallion whinnied. No other horse there did it. I can not help but wonder if the stallion had had experience with one in the past and was frightened by it.
At daylight the moaning stopped and so did the stallion./
 

Mauro
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The calls recorded by Berry (using a sophisticated, for the time, magnetic tape recorder) consist in moans, whines, growls and whistles. Note that man is the only known primate capable of whistling.
There's also what sounds like an articulated phrase which has been transcribed as "Gob-uh-gob-uh-gob, ugh, muy tail".
According to analysis made by the University of Wyoming (which at the time had the best equipment and staff available anywhere in the world) there was more than one speaker and one or more speaker was of larger physical size than an average human adult male.
When compared with human data the results indicated that there could possibly be three speakers, one of which is, and I quote, "non-human".
Vocal tract length was extimated at 20.2 cm. Using human proportions this gives height estimates of between 6'4" and 8'2".
A hoax has been suggested and I personally favor this explanation. The sounds could have been manufactured by a very skilled audio technician or enthusiast using state of the art equipment available in 1977.
However there are two big problems with the hoax theory though. The first one is that articulation rate clearly suggests a "natural" (meaning untampered with) recording. The second is the hoaxer himself would have needed deep knowledge of speech processing tecniques himself.
Since I have serious problems setting up a stereo equalizer, I'll take the experts' word. And the experts say this is more believable than the highly controversial Patterson Film.

In all honesty Berry admitted he thought somebody was pulling his leg (he had previously been shown alleged Bigfoot tracks he quickly dismissed as fakes) and it was only after the University of Wyoming accepted to analyze the recordings that he said "The tapes remain open to challenge, and a lot of questions and answers remain".

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"Louhi spoke in riddled tones of three things to achieve: find and catch the Devil's Moose and bring it here to me. Seize the Stallion born of Fire, harness the Golden Horse. He captured and bound the Moose, he tamed the Golden Horse. Still there remained one final task: hunt for the Bird from the Stream of Death"

-Kalevala, Rune XIII-


bedb
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I believe in bigfoot. The forensic finger print analyst from Conroe Texas has found tracks with derma ridges on them that aren't human. Dr. Bendernagel of Canada..whom I've met....presents a convincing argument for their existance. And I've met Loren Coleman who has collected reliable accounts.

I think 90% of the bigfoot stuff out there is fake...but not all of it. I just don't know what it is or where it goes.

Mauro
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Speaking with all due frankness I believe Loren Coleman to be only one step removed from a freak show manager. Meaning the freak show manager is one step above him.

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"Louhi spoke in riddled tones of three things to achieve: find and catch the Devil's Moose and bring it here to me. Seize the Stallion born of Fire, harness the Golden Horse. He captured and bound the Moose, he tamed the Golden Horse. Still there remained one final task: hunt for the Bird from the Stream of Death"

-Kalevala, Rune XIII-


bedb
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I must share this with you.TBRC, the group I once belonged to, had a conference and to raise money they auctioned off items of interest. One of the things auctioned off was a plaster cast of a bigfoot foot print. Chilicott (the guy from Conroe) said he believed the original print had belonged to the real thing.

Loren Coleman and another TBRC member got into a bidding war...it was awesome and actually got up to 200 dollars or maybe a little more. Coleman won...put his money down and gave the cast to a little girl who was helping with the programs and such.

He certainly has a powerful opinion about things...but in person he really is a nice man.

Mauro
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He's surely a nice, easy-going fellow.
But when he set up his "Museum of Cryptozoology" he infuriated lots of people. I don't blame him for trying to make an extra buck but the way the thing was handled sent the more serious types into a "Hulk smash!" rage.
First of all his claims this is the first "Museum of Cryptozoology" in the world are bogus.
The first Museum of Cryptozoology is located in Lausanne (Switzerland): Bernard Heuvelmans left his library and collection to the Musée de Zoologie at the time of his death (1995) and the curator (Olivier Glaizot) did an excellent job of using it as basis for the present Department. The Department is currently being enlarged and will reopen to the public in 2011.
Second, Coleman's Museum seems to be more akin to granpa's attic hoard than to a modern museum. Exhibits are piled together without too much thought: even the most modest museum is better organized. At least Roman coins are kept separated from shards of Saxon pottery.  
Third, most exhibits are of a kind even Phineas T. Barnum would have turned down. Fur bearing trout? Jackalope? If this the Museum of Cryptozoology or the Museum of Tacky Souvenirs?
A friend of mine called it "a roadside attraction, nothing more". He wasn't too far off the mark.

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"Louhi spoke in riddled tones of three things to achieve: find and catch the Devil's Moose and bring it here to me. Seize the Stallion born of Fire, harness the Golden Horse. He captured and bound the Moose, he tamed the Golden Horse. Still there remained one final task: hunt for the Bird from the Stream of Death"

-Kalevala, Rune XIII-


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Re: Dumb things bigfoot hunters do.

Amongst the many books I have collected over the years is one entitled 'On The Track Of The Sasquatch' - Encounters With Bigfoot From California to Canada by John Green, which I got as I was hoping to map out big Foot sightings on the website as I thought the googlemap format we use would be great to illustrate these.  Again, it is something I just have to find time for....ahhh.

However I was recently playing with some cards from America showing bears and each one showing a tip for when in bear country, such as always cook 100m downwind of your tent.  Don't sleep in clothes you've cooked in etc.  Sensible stuff, but things you won't think about unless you trained or were used to operating in terrain that these creatures occupy.  So, maybe Big Foot hunting should be left to the experts :).

Mauro
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Ian, the problem is who are the experts? :-)
Grover Krantz suggested the hunt should be left to experienced hunters and the goal should be killing a Bigfoot and bring the body (or "the largest part you can carry" as Krantz put it) back for analysis.
I have a lot of reserves about Grover Krantz's work, but this is one of the most sensible pieces of advice I've ever heard in the field.
At this point I must confess I DON'T believe there's a large, hairy covered man running around North American forests. This doesn't mean I don't believe many witnesses to be sincere and BELIEVE what they saw. But just like UFOlogy, jumping to conclusions has only wrought havoc and ridicule to the field.
A few years ago, at a cryptozoology meeting, I brought up Krantz's advice as a provocation of sorts, saying extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. To say the attendants jumped at me like a pack of hounds at a deer would be an understatement. These persons had come to the conclusion that not only Bigfoot exists but it's highly intelligent and should be approached in a friendly manner, just like another human being. How did they come to the conclusion I wasn't told. But as Bedb said above, if a "friendly manner" means setting up a feast for assorted woodland critters I doubt there's much good to be had from being friendly.

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"Louhi spoke in riddled tones of three things to achieve: find and catch the Devil's Moose and bring it here to me. Seize the Stallion born of Fire, harness the Golden Horse. He captured and bound the Moose, he tamed the Golden Horse. Still there remained one final task: hunt for the Bird from the Stream of Death"

-Kalevala, Rune XIII-




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