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Why we can't see God


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PhenomInvestigator
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Re: Why we can't see God

Actually, no. Photons (light) are bound to their branes of origin, however gravitons, which are what interests us here, are in fact not so bound. In summary, gravitons are believed to transverse dimensions which is why the gravity force seems at once weak and at the same time strong. This interdimensional explanation is one of the few current solutions to this problem which has been plaguing physics for a long time. I chose Randall's paper because she is the one who first formulated this idea.

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Re: Why we can't see God
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Actually, no. Photons (light) are bound to their branes of origin, however gravitons, which are what interests us here, are in fact not so bound. In summary, gravitons are believed to transverse dimensions which is why the gravity force seems at once weak and at the same time strong. This interdimensional explanation is one of the few current solutions to this problem which has been plaguing physics for a long time. I chose Randall's paper because she is the one who first formulated this idea.

This is all theoretical at present. No one has detected a graviton, brane or higher dimensions as yet! There is nothing to say any of it is correct.

The idea of explaining why we CAN'T see something is not the usual way science works. Usually we try to explain what we can see. There would first have to be some strong evidence for the existence of a god before we need to explain why we can't see it!

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While the work is theoretical, that is the appropriate position for the research at present. In fact that is true of a large majority of the work in quantum mechanics.

Of course the graviton is an unobserved, virtual particle. But this does not prevent theoreticians from invoking it as an explanation. And it is particularly attractive, given that the resulting mathematical theories are consistent with observable results. For example, energy is lost in atomic collisions. One real possibility is that this lost energy is in fact attributable to gravitons.

As for observing God, certainly we don't see in the way the physical scientist defines 'observation'. But in a real way we observe the result of creation in the act of doing science everyday. And in that abstract sense, we continually 'see God' metaphorically.

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Re: Why we can't see God
PhenomInvestigator wrote:

For example, energy is lost in atomic collisions. One real possibility is that this lost energy is in fact attributable to gravitons.

Which atomic collisions? Do you have a link, please?

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Re: Why we can't see God
PhenomInvestigator wrote:

In fact that is true of a large majority of the work in quantum mechanics.

Which major parts of quantum mechanics have not yet been observed? I'm intrigued!

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Of course the graviton is an unobserved, virtual particle. But this does not prevent theoreticians from invoking it as an explanation.

Indeed not but if you are trying to explain something for which there is little or no evidence, invoking aomething which has never been observed doesn't seem a great place to start.

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As for observing God, certainly we don't see in the way the physical scientist defines 'observation'. But in a real way we observe the result of creation in the act of doing science everyday. And in that abstract sense, we continually 'see God' metaphorically.

I know you asre talking metaphorically but many people believe gods are the inventions of human beings, given the lack of obvious objective evidence for their existence. So many people do not see nature as the creation of deities, even metaphorically.

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Re: Why we can't see God

I might point out that, to one point, MS, that several particals that should exist, and for which we have mathmatical proofs, have never actually been observed.  The Higgs boson, for example, is a popular one of late which they are trying to find direct evidence of.

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Re: Why we can't see God

 I'm not sure why anyone would need proof to believe in a philosophy... Or a moral for that matter... Would it matter if we argued about weather or not the rabbit could talk and was outrun by a turtle and if they were real? And ended up concluding the moral was a lie because nobody could prove the turtle existed? Pretty stupid I would think...

And Sun worshiping? Who would bother with that big ball in the sky... did I spell that right Ball or Baal? Why would you not? What is true and what is not I do not know.

But id your say you believe in god and someone says there is no proof of god.. And I say I do not know... which one of us three are closest to the truth?

Whats wrong with calling Ball the son of god, my spelling again... Baal Sun of Good... oh my you know what I mean... Don't you?

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Re: Why we can't see God

 You can't see consiouness but that exists does it not? ;)

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Re: Why we can't see God
MacNova wrote:

 You can't see consiouness but that exists does it not? ;)

Macnova, the cynic in me want to point out that there's no evidence thought exists in the conventional sense either.  While a lot of educated men will make noise about chemicals or the interpaly of signal between neurons, most of them if you pin them down will admit that we still have very little idea how it works, or what thought really even is.

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MacNova
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Re: Why we can't see God

 Well that is exactly why I must remain agnostic on the matter I don't think I know. Although I am pretty sure nobody else knows either.



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