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...  that's intereting, but what leads you to the conclusion about them not being dead humans? 

I ask this as, while I myself have not been 'personally' haunted (if by being subject to a haunting reguardless of my location is what you are reffering to), I have both visited and resided in locations belived to be so.  In those places, I have, on occasion, seen things that seem to contradict the 'normal' course of events.  (phantom Civil War soldiers, dead ship's crewmen, strange lights, sounds, dopplegangers, doors opening and closing without air movement...)

I have even, for instance, seen a situation where a ghost did real physical harm to someone (flung off the top of a building).

I have seen exactly one thing I would catagorize as non-human, at Shiloh Battlefield.  I've seen a lot that otherwise I would say were human in origin (one way or the other).

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BaronIveagh wrote:


...  that's intereting, but what leads you to the conclusion about them not being dead humans? 

I ask this as, while I myself have not been 'personally' haunted (if by being subject to a haunting reguardless of my location is what you are reffering to), I have both visited and resided in locations belived to be so.  In those places, I have, on occasion, seen things that seem to contradict the 'normal' course of events.  (phantom Civil War soldiers, dead ship's crewmen, strange lights, sounds, dopplegangers, doors opening and closing without air movement...)

I have even, for instance, seen a situation where a ghost did real physical harm to someone (flung off the top of a building).

I have seen exactly one thing I would catagorize as non-human, at Shiloh Battlefield.  I've seen a lot that otherwise I would say were human in origin (one way or the other).

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Dear Baronlveagh,
 
Amongst our weird experiences, and most undoubtedly constituting a non-human encounter, the repetitive ghost dog scenario was typical of the kind of bizarre spookiness my wife (Lesley) and I have experienced.  The dead dog in question was, in actuality, a cross-breed bitch named Heidi.  In the spring of 1994, then aged 14, Heidi had developed a brain tumour.  We took Heidi to the vets in Hatfield Road, Smallford, St Albans, Hertfordshire, where she had to be put down.
 
Months later, during the summer of 1994, whilst driving on the A4, through the outskirts of Marlborough, Wiltshire, I was surprised to hear my wife shouting out “Heidi”.  My wife had been asleep in the passenger seat, as I drove the car to the Alton Priors/Alton Barnes area of Wiltshire.  It was evening time, and our destination is a night watch at this hotspot for crop circles and UFOs.   As Lesley awoke, she claimed that she could feel Heidi at her feet, and smell her awful breath.  We drove to Alton Priors/Alton Barnes, and, as Lesley claims, Heidi stayed with her all night.
 
As I drove the car back past the spot on the A4 where Heidi had appeared, Lesley reported that Heidi jumped out of the car.  This ghost dog car haunting happened every subsequent time I drove to, and away from, the Alton Priors/Alton Barnes hotspot on the A4.  That spot was the turn off to Manton House & Hollow, and the horseracing stables.  As Heidi had died in Hertfordshire, it seemed somewhat odd that her ghost should be in Wiltshire.  Also, why didn’t I experience the ghost?
 
This is highly suspect, as the events appear to have been contrived.  If this haunting was real, then how come the meaning of the location name, ‘Manton’, matches to the Teutonic name ‘Heidi’.  The Anglo-Saxon (surname & place-name) ‘Manton’ means ‘[from the] Hero’s Farm’; the name ‘Heidi’ means ‘The Battle Maiden’.  Furthermore, there is a repetitive connection to horses here, as with ‘Roswell’ (Teutonic), which means ‘The Mighty Steed’.

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 Further peculiarities, concerning Heidi, the ghost dog, add weight to the concept of trickery.  Firstly, Heidi repeatedly chewed her fur during her life, such that it became lodged in her teeth.  This eventually resulted in foul breath.  However, my wife found a solution, because Heidi loved peppermints.  In the ghost dog scenario, my wife discovered that she could do the same trick with an imaginary peppermint.  That implies that Heidi’s ghost was in her psyche, but that it was triggered by an external stimulus.
 
Secondly, dogs cannot read road-signs.  So how, in the year 2000, when I took a different route home, could Heidi possibly know that the turning to our left would take her back to Manton House & Hollow?  These factors can be turned around to present a clue.  Could the ancients have been tricked into believing in alternative spiritual realities that actually never existed?
 
‘The Wizard of Oz principle’ is based on the concept that events can be both logically true, and logically false, at the very same time.  The book, entitled ‘The Wonderful Wizard of Oz’, was, of course, a complete fiction.  However, it would be illogical to conclude that the book itself was a fiction.  By logical default ‘The Wonderful Wizard of Oz’ was a real book, and was written by a real author.  Even in the fictional Wizard of Oz character presented the paradox, as he was acting the part of a fake magician.
 
A similar scenario was presented in the 1974 movie ‘Zardoz’.  I consider this significant, because the Zardoz movie plot converts the original Wizard of Oz character into a fake god, who is jokingly named ‘Zardoz’.  I say that this is significant, because my contention is that advanced extraterrestrials once used technological trickery to fool humans.

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i like the way you search for clues to the conundrum of why an apparition should appear in an unexpected place and also why one person can see or sense it while another does not.
it obviously depends on i guess two factors-the human brain and the location of the person.
it's interesting for exasmple the way you say she was asleep/dozing?. also you mention that you were travelling through a "hotspot" for UFO's.
i think we are close to solving hauntings if we note the locations and the timings and the state of mind of the particular human being at the time.  I have noticed with frustration that a lot of ghost hunters do not for example, note the layout of a property say, ie the number of rooms and their measurements precislely.
also the orientation of the property-north/south etc.  we need to collate this in greater detail.

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indiagold wrote:

i think we are close to solving hauntings if we note the locations and the timings and the state of mind of the particular human being at the time

Would you care to outline your proposed solution to hauntings, please?

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Hauntings are caused by bad feng shui?  I have to admit, that's one I have not heard before. 

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 Dear All,
 
People, quite naturally, assume that the ancients knew what a ghost was.  Likewise, they assume that the ancients knew that a poltergeist was an entity of distinguishable nature.  But in those days, of course, there were demons, hobgoblins, and angels.  “Burn that witch!” they cried.  This is, perhaps, the reason why Einstein so admired Sir Isaac Newton.  Yes, Newton was the knight who offended a pope, yet A Pope attended his funeral.  Surely angels moved the heavens around?  
 
To Einstein, it wouldn’t have been a matter of whether Newton was dead right or not, but what nonsense Newton had to contend with in his lifetime.  The truth is that ignorance was the norm in previous times, when little more than muscle power produced the daily bread.  Folks went to church, and were told what the truth was by the clergy.  The very notion that the clergymen might not know the truth was quite unthinkable to all but an elite few.

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 Dear IndaGold,

Wiltshire’s paranormal hotspots:  After witnessing many phenomena, whose uncanny linkages could only be explained if they were under some form of centralised control, I was left without a shadow of a doubt that nothing I’d seen was quite how it appeared.  To this day, I remain confident that crop circles relate to ley lines, just as UFOs relate to crop circles, and just as ghosts relate to ley lines, crop circles, and UFOs.  Indeed, if anyone is checking out a haunting then they should also use dowsing rods to check for Ley Lines.
 
If crop circles relate to ley lines, just as UFOs relate to crop circles, and ghosts relate to ley lines, crop circles, and UFOs, then please note the ley line link to Stone Henge, Wiltshire.  As long ago as 1992, I had personally discovered ley lines that were intelligently controlled.  The first one was at Avebury, Wiltshire, where I was ‘shown’, with some considerable, though invisible, force, that ley lines were a genuine phenomenon.  Then, as if to confirm the intelligent control, the ley line force vanished.  We currently have a ley line just outside the back door, here in Welwyn Garden City.
 

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Re: Multiple Ghosts?

hello Baronlveagh
well that just about sums it up!
I'll get back to you all later
Ciao

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Re: Multiple Ghosts?

I am not an expert, but who of us are?
The old idea of Feng shui, or geomancy if you prefer, is part of the answer.
look at the work of Michael Persinger

Ifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Persinger
(sorry I can't put the link in, for some reason)
His view is that human beings-in particular, the human brain, is a delicate instrument, and therefore, is subject to the vagaries of the Earth's magnetic field.
This can lead to people having anything from bad dreams to outright mental breakdown.
It can damage perception. this might acount for UFO/ghost sightings.Basically, these people, were in the wrong place at the wrong time, as it were. Just a theory.

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